Jillian Michaels

It's actually also about things like, do I have access to health care, weight neutral health care that actually treats my symptoms, not just my body, right?

Do I have access to equal pay?

Do I have accommodations for the body that I'm in right now, not the body that I might be in someday?

And so I think about these systemic disenfranchisements and discriminations that happen to people, especially people in larger bodies.

And when I want to

embrace body positivity it's more than just that personal self-esteem piece right but what you seem to be talking about is the personal self-esteem not true that's not just what i'm talking about and i'm not going to disagree with you on any of what you just said i'm well aware of where this started and it was i think a gentleman that was pretty upset about how his wife was being treated right and he started it i do know that origin story i do know a lot about it in my opinion there's no question it has been co-opted and when the vast majority of your tiktok influencers don't know

the origin of your story, and those messages are communicated in 15-second memes, then you own meme consequences.

And that's where I take umbrage with it.

And it's become this amalgamation of rolling up different movements along the decades, so we can't be like, well, I'm gonna carve out the part that's the, you know, the rights piece, and forget, don't look over here.

I look at it in its entirety and there are parts of it that I take umbrage with.

That's how I feel about the health and wellness industry.

That's fair.

I look at it in its entirety.

That's fair.

There are parts that I take umbrage with.

And we know when you introduced yourself, you talked about being a health advocate.

Does your advocacy include making sure that people are not discriminated against?

Without question.

So how do you do that for people in larger bodies?

Well, personally, I don't get involved in that kind of policy outside of what I do in relationship to big agriculture, big food, big pharma, big insurance.