Jillian Michaels

I thought we were talking about, well, you're asking me about fear, and I'm telling you that parenting and Biggest Loser, there's no parallel.

Okay, so shame.

Okay.

Shaming someone.

So like, I didn't say it's okay to shame someone.

I'm telling you that the utilization of these emotions, I'm telling you that shame is a signal.

It's telling you, hey, look over here.

This here is...

But shame from the world.

Like any shame I've felt from, okay, we'll start here.

You're externalizing shame, which is exactly what I don't agree with.

And you're saying that I've externalized it by carrying it on my body as well.

No, I'm saying.

That's a little bit of what you said earlier about the trauma is externalized.

Well, that would be utilizing your body

as a container to manage emotions, if we're talking about in this particular instance.

I can give you an example of that, or not.

So I'm not talking about shaming someone, fundamentally disagree with that concept.

I'm talking about the shame that is already there, not externalizing it.

I'm talking about appreciating the fact like, okay, this is arising from within me.