Jim Fowler

If you're an entrepreneur, I mean, I'm pretty sure that's a trick question because show me an entrepreneur that gets eight hours of sleep and I'll show you a company that's going to fail.

I mean, it just doesn't happen in and in.

No, I'm not saying that you don't need to get efficient.

Um, one piece of advice I would give to your listeners on this is when I started jigsaw, I made a deal with my wife and I said, look, I'm going to work my butt off during the week.

Um, you know, I will be home for dinner and when I'm not traveling, um,

at 6 30 and you know i'll be there my son was young then you know i will be with you guys until 8 30 and i got to go back to work um but i'm not going to work on the weekends unless it's an emergency so that's when i would recharge and i it's not that you you know get three or four hours of sleep a day that you would die but during the week when everything's on you know never would i get it but you need time to recharge and whatever way you do that for me it was making sure to spend time with my family so i really recommend you do that you can't

You can't burn your whole life doing nothing but your job.

Well, I wouldn't get eight hours.

I'm more of like a six-hour guy.

My COO, who was instrumental in selling Jigsaw, he literally can operate on four or five hours a night.

I can't do that more than one or two nights in a row.

You got to get your rest, but I'm just saying eight hours, that's for people with corporate jobs.

Entrepreneurs just don't get that in my experience.

50.

Yeah.

No, I just turned 50.

I started at University of Colorado as a business major.

And I knew I wanted to be a businessman at some point in the future.

But I got in.

I will never forget.