Jim McGovern

of the president, he went on to further threaten Colombia, where he might do further action.

But look, wars are easy to get into, they're hard as hell to get out of.

And we have a history of talking tough, of getting sucked into these wars that cost billions and billions of dollars, and then we find ourselves in a quagmire that we can't get out of.

I know for a fact that you understand the politics of the Caribbean better than most on Capitol Hill.

You helped to begin normalizing relations with Cuba in the Obama administration.

You've spent a lot of time in the region.

So what do you think the president's aim is here?

Is it regime change or something else?

Yeah, I think it's oil, quite frankly.

I think this president is not about promoting human rights.

He doesn't give a damn about democracy.

And this is not about drugs.

I mean, he pardoned the former president of Honduras, who's one of the biggest narco traffickers in the world.

Hundreds of tons of cocaine.

Yeah, so I think, I mean, there must be some financial interest in pursuing this policy for the president, because that's all he really cares about, making money for his family and money for those who are close to him.

Look, our history in Latin America has been one of arrogance, has been one of putting profits ahead of human rights.

And by the way, this administration doesn't give a damn about human rights.

They just issued their national security strategy.

And this is the first administration.

that has removed the word human rights from the strategy.