Jim McGovern

This is a bipartisan effort by those of us who actually believe the Constitution means something and Congress has a role to play.

And we don't want this president going into a war without a debate and without a vote and authorization by Congress.

Would this be specific to Venezuela or more broad?

It would be specific to Venezuela because that's the conflict we seem to be getting sucked into.

Although the clip you just showed

of the president, he went on to further threaten Colombia, where he might do further action.

But look, wars are easy to get into, they're hard as hell to get out of.

And we have a history of talking tough, of getting sucked into these wars that cost billions and billions of dollars, and then we find ourselves in a quagmire that we can't get out of.

I know for a fact that you understand the politics of the Caribbean better than most on Capitol Hill.

You helped to begin normalizing relations with Cuba in the Obama administration.

You've spent a lot of time in the region.

So what do you think the president's aim is here?

Is it regime change or something else?

Yeah, I think it's oil, quite frankly.

I think this president is not about promoting human rights.

He doesn't give a damn about democracy.

And this is not about drugs.

I mean, he pardoned the former president of Honduras, who's one of the biggest narco traffickers in the world.

Hundreds of tons of cocaine.

Yeah, so I think, I mean, there must be some financial interest in pursuing this policy for the president, because that's all he really cares about, making money for his family and money for those who are close to him.