Jim O'Callaghan

Similarly, now we're on a trajectory where it could be, I don't know whether it'll happen, that reform will get into government in the UK.

We've seen nationalist parties all over the UK.

There's a nationalist party leading in Northern Ireland, in Scotland, in Wales.

And let's be straight about it, reform is a nationalist English party, English nationalist party.

So we need to be prepared for the fact that the issue of Irish unification may come upon us quicker than we expect.

And certainly that's something I would like to play a role in.

I think Irishness is very, it's varied.

Like I know sometimes...

northern unions think that you know irish culture is exclusively kneecap or that type of stuff kneecap a very talented group a good film but like it's much more uh it's a much broader texture of irishness that exists here now and i just think it's important that we engage with people in northern ireland as this is something that could happen sooner rather than later

I think we have it.

I think we've always had it.

I think Micheál has done an excellent job in terms of the shared island initiative.

And if you look at the history, the only party that's going to be able to do this is, I believe, Fianna Fáil.

Like, and I don't want to talk about other parties, but because of what happened in Northern Ireland for 30, 35 years, that creates a lot of baggage and it leaves a long, long legacy.

Fianna Fáil, Bertie O'Hearn has an excellent legacy in Northern Ireland, as does Micheál Martin.

And I think we have, I think we underestimate the ability of Fianna Fáil to be able to engage with unionist politicians regularly.

and Republican nationalist politicians in Northern Ireland.

I think we underestimate our abilities and strength in that area.

Oh, yeah.

There's always friction within Fianna Fáil.