Jo Fidgen
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The Documentary Podcast · Bonus: Forgiving a killer - from Lives Less Ordinary · 22 Jul 2026
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Have you ever been hated to the point where someone wants you dead?
Actually go so far as to point a gun at you and open fire.
Do you think if that happened to you, you could say what we've just heard?
It's an extraordinary thing about Bjorn Eyla that he really lives by that mantra that we're all in it together no matter who we are, where we come from or even what we've done.
Believing that is what nearly got him killed.
It's also the reason why he doesn't hate the man who pulled the trigger.
There's a lot to unpack there.
Let's do it.
From the BBC World Service, this is Lives Less Ordinary.
I'm Jo Fidgen.
Bjorn is from Norway.
He's a respected counter-extremism expert and he takes the view that the way to deal with violent extremists isn't to ostracise them, but to try to understand them, to care for them even.
He's always been political.
He joined Norway's Labour Youth Group when he was still at school because when he looked around the neighbourhood where he was growing up in Oslo, which was changing as more immigrants moved in, he felt very strongly that everyone is equal and should have the same opportunities.
You used the word beauty, which really stands out because that's kind of...
More about poetry, isn't it, than politics?
But not all Norwegians felt the same way about immigration.
And one of them, Anders Breivik, was working himself into a fury.
He adopted an extremist far-right position and wrote a manifesto calling for armed struggle against multiculturalism.
Fifteen years ago, in July 2011, both Bjorn and Breivik travelled to Utoya Island in a lake a short drive out of Oslo.
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