Jodi Kantor

And what's amazing is they didn't have an exact number, like 8 to 12.

Like, that's a big difference.

Like, did you forget four of those women?

Did you not keep a list?

Can you not remember?

Like, how many are there really?

Oh, I mean, they took, look, I mean, here's the thing, Tim, like Megan and I had been journalists for a long time by the time we did that.

But those moments took everything we already believed about journalism and like underlined them three times and put three exclamation marks next to them because the number of

brave sources who really helped us was so small, and yet they created dialogue and change all over the world.

It was an honor and an amazing thing to be a part of.

So the reason I chose that quote is that young people are being told essentially by this employment market, many young people are being told that they're disposable or interchangeable and that they're not needed.

And this quote is all about the fact that every human being has unique value and something to contribute.

I mean, since you read the book, you know this book is, it's not a book I expected to write.

It started about a year ago when Columbia, at like the peak of its chaos, invites me to give the undergraduate commencement address, which was a huge honor for,

but also like kind of a bad offer.

My college friends, my college friends grew very protective.

They were like, call in sick.

Don't do it.

You know, like you're going to get booed.

Yeah.