Jodi Kantor

Do we know what it's doing to hiring?

Yes.

Trying to get a job, as you said, has always been hard, anxiety-provoking.

It is now...

very lonely because the hiring process has been digitized.

And so like when you and I were seeking jobs, when we were younger, it was a social experience filled with handshakes and coffees and meetings and interviews.

This is now a digitally mediated experience in which, like, truly, like, if you have, if anyone listening has never spoken to anyone who has done an AI interview in which you are interviewed by AI and not by a human being, I would really recommend you sit down and listen to somebody's personal story because it's so powerful.

different than it used to be.

And listen, this like these tools are very efficient.

They're very powerful.

But the young people I've talked to find them dehumanizing and discouraging because there's no recruiter saying like, listen, Tim, we don't have a spot for you right now.

But it was amazing to meet you.

And I loved your answer about, you know, the pineapple store you started when you were 14.

And I'm going to call you when I see the next opening.

Nobody's replying.

That's why the word I just keep coming back to is lonely.

Young people are saying, can somebody just give me some feedback on my application?

Can somebody tell me if this job even really exists or if it's a ghost listing that is just staying up on this portal?

So, you know, my answer to this in the book and like in life is that we need to bring young people all the help we can.

And also that...