Jodi Kantor

Because it's high, it's high stimulation.

Like my, for anyone lucky enough to have a choice of a first job now, which not everybody does, I think you want to be learning instead, like, and not just earning.

You know, what is this job going to teach you?

And I think the great first jobs are very high stimulation and the bad ones are the boring ones.

Like prestigious but boring is kind of a deadly category.

Like don't go work in an art gallery where nobody's going to come in all day.

You're not going to learn anything.

To be honest, I don't want it to be about Pollyanna.

I want it to be about fight because I,

The only way these young people are going to have satisfying, fulfilling work lives is if they fight for their ambitions and dreams.

Because the environment is so negative, I think you do have to take yourself seriously.

and your happiness and your potential very seriously right now.

So it's not about saying, you know, oh yeah, man, everything's going to be all right.

Like, look, I'm a reporter.

And, and, and also I reported some of the worst things about the workplace, like Harvey Weinstein, like definitely one of the worst bosses of all time.

I also reported a lot about like why technological change can be so shattering and dislocating in the workplace, but all of that,

convinced me that there is a way it, listen, this is a time of struggle.

This is a time of struggle.

It's always been a life stage of struggle.

It's worse now, but you can struggle badly or struggle well, right?