Jodi Kantor

But, you know, what's interesting to him is that like what he did was probably illegal.

And it's all and it's also what made him a great boss.

Great to be with you.

Thank you for having me.

So about a week ago, Adam Liptak and I put in the pages of The New York Times 16 pages

of internal documents from the court, private correspondence among the justices that we were not going to see for generations that show the origins of something called the shadow docket, which is a new way that the court has been doing business for about the past 10 years.

And so the reason we were eager to do this is because this is a way of listening to the justices as they talk in private.

Well, they're memos that are being shared.

Their clerks are the ones.

They don't Snapchat.

It makes sense.

But the point is that we can see the exercise of power in these memos, and we can also see the justices disregarding centuries of time-tested legal decisions, a legal decision-making process about being very deliberate and doing things slowly.

And in these five days of memos, they both halt President Obama's climate change initiative.

These are from 2016, so they're stopping Obama's plan.

Turns out later, we see this is like the beginning of the end of federal attempts to regulate greenhouse gas emissions.

Yes.

But also, they're doing this thing like...

really like very quickly and without a lot of deliberation that is going to turn into a break with the way the court does business.

And this is the origins of the system we see today where like, for example, if you look at how this court has treated President Trump, they've awarded him a lot of power.

The immunity decision was a merits case.