Jodi Kantor

And you get it on the left and the right.

You get people on the left who are like, I don't believe the corporate media.

And on the right, many people are like, believe something in the New York Times?

Like, never.

Wouldn't think of it.

And then you have the last part with a grownup doing something.

It's a little harder, right?

Like Congress doesn't do much right now.

So I'm not ready to call it over, but I'm worried that the formula is showing some signs of wear and tear.

And I'm also worried

wondering about whether this is a moment to maybe be a little creative and maybe play with the formula a little bit.

I mean, I'll ask you a provocative question I ask myself.

If we published the Herbie Weinstein story right now, would it have the same impact?

It might.

I mean, look at the Cesar Chavez story that my colleagues did two weeks ago.

It has had enormous, stunning impact.

On the other hand, you have to say to yourself, oh, would Weinstein have been able to deploy an army of deepfakes in order to undercut our findings?

Let me ask you a question in response to that question.

Question with a question.

And this is something that you wrote about in She Said.