Joe Allen

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3,496 appearances 36 recordings 2 series first heard Oct 2016 last heard 15 Sep

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Perhaps I misunderstood that, but if that is the case, then it seems like their AGs should be looking at this at the state level.
On the federal level, as we've noted now for a couple of years, it is basically a vacuum outside of the executive order.
And the executive order itself
is being enacted behind closed doors.
So in theory, you would have to, these companies would have to, or they would be encouraged
through the voluntary process to submit
Yeah.
If this information was completely free, then first the American public in general can't be expected to understand it, but you do have a ton of organizations outside the government that
And outside independent of these companies, such as meter, such as Palisade research, such as Redwood research, such as Apollo, you have a ton of organizations who could rake all of this over and then put it into language.
We can understand that's exactly what this report for meter and Redwood research is.
And so the free flow of information, I would imagine, Steve, that we have this incident from OpenAI.
We have Anthropic reporting that they had three separate incidents that were very similar with three separate models breaking out and hacking into multiple sites.
I would imagine that if the public understood it,
and those people in the public who are able to understand in great detail that they would be probably as terrified and as furious as they were when the details of the origin of the coronavirus that shook the world in 2020
As furious as they were then and as furious as they were as the still scant information about the damage of the vaccines that came out afterwards.
The reason I would imagine, Steve, that these guys are keeping this so tight lipped.
is not because of fear that their competitors in China will distill it and create evil cyber attack bots, but rather that they are right now in this PR crisis where they've told everyone their technology could end the world.
And now it's looking like if it doesn't end the world, it's at least going to cause some serious catastrophes.
And they are scrambling to present themselves as responsible and responsible enough that they're not going to need...
really heavy-handed oversight.
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