Joe Allen

You know, we have SB 53 in California, RASAC in New York, and the legislation introduced by Hawley and Blumenthal, the AI Risk Evaluation Act.

These are steps towards something like an e-stop, as we would say in the entertainment industry.

Do you see these the attempts at legislation or actual legislation passed as positive?

Do you think that it's kind of sedating people and giving them a false sense of comfort?

How do you see the current legislative landscape?

Well, you know, in Marsha Blackburn's proposed, it's not a fleshed out bill yet, but the Trump America AI Act, it's a framework that gives a sense of where kind of one national or one federal standard might go.

And in it, the recommendation, one of the recommendations is to have agencies such as the Department of Energy

which has been responsible for tracking nuclear risks and really controlling that possibility of doom for decades.

Do you think that those sorts of approaches, just specifically the Department of Energy, do you think that they're capable of such a task?

Do you think that they have the right expertise to kind of switch over to address the possibility of out-of-control AI?

Yeah, and I think you hear a lot from people who are older.

They say, oh, well, I'm not going to be alive.

It's not my problem.

But I think that whether the real issue around artificial intelligence for you is the possibility of people just simply getting their brains melted or of massive job loss or of humans creating some kind of catastrophe by being enabled by AI or AI

the ultimate out-of-control AI, the salience, I think, is really sinking in.

The war room posse really understands, I think, the magnitude from psychological all the way down to doom.

But you're right, it is a matter of mobilizing

as many people as possible.

Do you think that populism plays into this?

Do you think that this is much more the task appropriate to a populist approach as opposed to kind of standard elite or moneyed political activism?