Joe Biden

He's like, oh yeah, that makes a lot of sense because you grew up as Catholic.

I know how religious your mother was.

And I was like, no, no, that's not what it is at all.

It's got nothing to do with religion.

Everybody has to find the path that speaks to them and resonates with them.

But I do think it's important to have one.

And I dare say if you didn't have a spiritual path, you wouldn't be as successful as you are today.

I will make that assumption.

in your work, in your marriage, in your friendships, all your relationships.

Honestly, it sounds like a cliche, your spiritual life even.

But it's just got a bad rap.

You 100% can have a spiritual life and be successful.

I wouldn't be here if I didn't have one.

Madonna's story is a reminder that success without inner grounding can feel empty.

True resilience isn't fueled by ambition alone.

It comes from a deeper sense of purpose and doing the internal work to find fulfillment.

She demonstrates the takeaway that spirituality isn't separate from success.

It's the foundation of

This week on Dear Chelsea with me, Chelsea Handler.

Nicholas Sparks is here.