Joe Durie

either questions he's had from New Zealand rugby about this or he shut down any kind of opportunity to take this role.

But now hearing that back after editing it, I go, maybe he is just still sitting on the fence after that.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's still got that vibe about it.

I mean, at the same time, what I will say about that is if Tony Brown wanders into Ressie's office, he goes, hey, look, a bit going on right now at home.

Do you think I could get out of here on compassionate grounds?

I think if I'm Ressie, I'm going to go, hang on.

And what was the second thing?

Yeah, and I did really want to do it.

But in that interview there, is Tony Brown saying a little bit too much about staying in this job?

Like if he then, after saying things like this, does decide that actually I'm going to try and sneak out of this Springbok situation, does that make him a little bit of a liar?

Like he's sounding fairly adamant about the fact that he's staying and sitting out these four years or whatever his contract currently is.

So why would he, because I feel like he's always mentioned in the same breath as Jamie Joseph, right?

There would be like some kind of partnership there.

Yeah.

So if Jamie Joseph, say, hypothetically took up the head coach role, does Tony Brown even want to come back for an assistant coach or whatever it might be?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.