Joe Hudson

The gold's in the backyard, but you've got to go on the fuck-off journey to come back around to land at the same place.

But that lack of congruence is where people go...

oh, well, this is obviously wrong.

Like there's obviously something wrong because previously I was getting results.

Now I'm not even sure if I'm doing the right thing.

And I've lost the fucking results, at least in part, in this little valley bit in the middle before you get back to... It's started to slot back together and I've got something appropriate in competence again.

someone uh somebody who goes from that authenticity to true congruence right where the heart actually starts to align with the actions and yeah and sort of the desires

being exposed to some or being seen by somebody who doesn't have that level of awareness i like having to dance around the words a little bit because i don't want it to sound like a value judgment for people who like don't feel things so very deeply right as if there's some sort of amount of worth that comes along with that but there just are there's certain people who are going to question things more feel things more uh be more self-aware self-reflective ruminative do the

do the hypervigilance obsessive thing and pay attention to what's going on internally and externally a little bit more.

And I think one of the challenges as an avatar for that type of person is you...

are seen by people for whom that is not going to be their future that is not going to be their path and they're just locked in in authenticity at action action and results and like the emotions piece is not going to play a huge role or as huge of a role perhaps in their future um it's playing a huge role it's just they're not going to be aware that might be a better way to put it and uh you you

Trying to have that conversation as somebody who's trying to take that step with somebody who isn't now or maybe ever results in you looking kind of silly in some ways.

It takes a kind of bravery, I think, to avoid the social judgment of somebody who sees you as not evolving into your emotions, but devolving back out of them into like, oh my God, you're just being driven around by your emotions.

Like how irrational.

as opposed to, oh, how beautiful you're diving into them.

And that there's already enough self-doubt and uncertainty and fear and shame around, fucking hell, like, I'm starting to feel like I just teared up on playing the song.

Like, how silly.

the, I'm interested of how people navigate.

And I think this is what I said about living in the world with an open heart is some of this different level communication thing.

And you're speaking in not only different dialects, but totally different languages with people.