Joe Hudson

So that's the benefit of it.

But the easiest thing is to be vulnerable.

And so one of my teachers who's now passed, his name I can't remember, but I spent like a couple of weeks with him.

And he often worked with like,

monks who'd been meditating for like years.

And when he would teach them this thing that you're talking about, he would tell them, it's like, we're going to drag you back into hell again.

Just so you know, we're dragging you back into hell again.

And I went through that very, very similar experience where I was like, oh, I don't need to go there.

I can be here.

I can be up in this peace.

I don't need to...

I don't need to like go into the depths of that shit anymore.

And so I'm not going to do it.

And then it became more and more hidden from me.

And so I literally had to slow way, way, way, way down and go, okay, something – there's a constriction there.

What's actually happening?

And like slowly pick it apart, even amplify it sometimes so that I could start to –

actually get a taste for it and do it.

The number one thing, though, that helped me was just the act of vulnerability over and over and over and over again.

And by vulnerability, I mean saying the thing that's true for you despite the consequences.