Joe Hudson

I just literally just said yes to everything, any experience I could get my hands on.

And then all of a sudden it just started narrowing and narrowing into this.

And so I think that that's, people think that they're going to think their way into it because they don't want to actually feel the helplessness of, I don't know.

what it is and part of, I was talking about that masculine form of, of surrender is like, you have to be in the unknown.

You know, it's not like I am surrendering to this eight point plan that's going to do exactly X, Y, and Z, and I'll be here in six years.

That's just not how it works.

And so the first thing that you have to learn to live your purpose is to live in the not known.

And if you can't get that lesson right, you're never particularly going to find your purpose.

If you're constantly got to know it, got to know it, got to know it, it's going to get in the way of your capacity to do the work that you're called to do.

We have like a number of transformations, I think, happening societally.

You know, I'm a huge fan of...

You know, I think, uh, kind of the historical changes of America.

So we're in two of those simultaneously.

We're in the 50 year transition where the parties change who follows them.

And we're also in the 80 year transition of where we re.

recreate our institutions, right?

So there's a great book on that.

The Fourth Turning?

The Fourth Turning.

Yeah, great.