Joe Hyrkin

Well, I actually joined the company.

I was recruited to run it about three and a half years ago.

So about four and a half years or so into the company, I was brought in to be CEO.

So I wasn't part of the original founding team and revenue.

But, you know,

we started off at zero.

Just like everybody else.

We started off at zero dollars and zero customers.

And really focused on using, the core focus was let's get great content in front of people who are passionate about that content and very deliberately started making

So we have over 3 million publishers that have used Issue.

We don't talk about the specific numbers of publishers that are actually paying because we have

Some publishers are paying us on a monthly basis.

Some are paying us on an annual basis for the core subscription services that we make available.

There are some publishers that are paying for one off capabilities that we make available around potentially.

Yeah, Joe, that's all.

We primarily experimented with SaaS recurring revenue.

We have played around with different

different formats and different structures and different ways that we offer it.

And again, we've had these two kind of concurrent themes.

One is an ongoing payment for a set of services.