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Joe Lonsdale

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The Shawn Ryan Show
#302 Joe Lonsdale - If China Takes Taiwan, AI Sets Back 10 Years

You know, a lot of my smartest friends who run the AI labs still, when I talk to them the last few months, it's like, oh, yeah, it won't be until the mid-2030s that, like, we're not having people actually help on some of these things.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#302 Joe Lonsdale - If China Takes Taiwan, AI Sets Back 10 Years

But what does that even mean at that point, you know?

The Shawn Ryan Show
#302 Joe Lonsdale - If China Takes Taiwan, AI Sets Back 10 Years

So it's, and at what point is, like, is, like, scientific discovery pushed ahead by the computers?

The Shawn Ryan Show
#302 Joe Lonsdale - If China Takes Taiwan, AI Sets Back 10 Years

I think we're just starting to get what look like scientific breakthroughs from computers, like, but they work really closely with people.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#302 Joe Lonsdale - If China Takes Taiwan, AI Sets Back 10 Years

Like, at what point, is there a point where the breakthroughs are happening with the people not even involved?

The Shawn Ryan Show
#302 Joe Lonsdale - If China Takes Taiwan, AI Sets Back 10 Years

Holy shit.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#302 Joe Lonsdale - If China Takes Taiwan, AI Sets Back 10 Years

Right?

The Shawn Ryan Show
#302 Joe Lonsdale - If China Takes Taiwan, AI Sets Back 10 Years

And none of us know the answer.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#302 Joe Lonsdale - If China Takes Taiwan, AI Sets Back 10 Years

I'd say, like, when you talk to the smartest guys, like Dario, who runs Anthropic, like, as of a few months ago, he thought that, like, the next few years of this really fast advancement is kind of locked in.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#302 Joe Lonsdale - If China Takes Taiwan, AI Sets Back 10 Years

Like, we used to have something called Moore's Law with chips, right, where the chips get better, double every year and a half.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#302 Joe Lonsdale - If China Takes Taiwan, AI Sets Back 10 Years

And this is a lot to predict how the chips kept getting faster and faster.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#302 Joe Lonsdale - If China Takes Taiwan, AI Sets Back 10 Years

And the guys running the chips companies, Intel, all the other ones, they'd have all sorts of new tactics and new technologies they were building that would let you make it twice as small, twice as fast over the next couple of years.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#302 Joe Lonsdale - If China Takes Taiwan, AI Sets Back 10 Years

And they'd kind of always be able to see ahead

The Shawn Ryan Show
#302 Joe Lonsdale - If China Takes Taiwan, AI Sets Back 10 Years

maybe two years, maybe three years.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#302 Joe Lonsdale - If China Takes Taiwan, AI Sets Back 10 Years

And it's always like, wow, how are you going to make it smaller?

The Shawn Ryan Show
#302 Joe Lonsdale - If China Takes Taiwan, AI Sets Back 10 Years

Like, well, we have to solve this and this and this problem.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#302 Joe Lonsdale - If China Takes Taiwan, AI Sets Back 10 Years

And they keep going.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#302 Joe Lonsdale - If China Takes Taiwan, AI Sets Back 10 Years

And they did it for a very long time.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#302 Joe Lonsdale - If China Takes Taiwan, AI Sets Back 10 Years

And so similarly with Dario, with this advanced pace where it keeps getting better with new data, new techniques, new tactics, he could see like very confidently the next couple of years and probably a third year of how it keeps getting better, which is pretty amazing because the pace right now is like doubling every few months, right, in terms of what the agent is.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#302 Joe Lonsdale - If China Takes Taiwan, AI Sets Back 10 Years

It's crazy.