Joe Molloy

Just those years from 2012 onwards when MGM to become MTK Global was set up.

They were kind of strange years in that it was almost like, you know, you have to remember this stuff kind of unfolds in real time and it's bit by bit.

He's involved and then, oh, he's in the national stadium in a photo in the ring and, oh, there he is with Billy Joe Saunders thanking him in 15 and then the Regency happens and then there's MTK and the ban and the acrimony.

That kind of unfolded in an almost surreal fashion, not least because it was in tandem to the Hutch-Kinahan feud.

It was interesting after the Panorama investigation in 21, Nicola.

It was picked up in the UK.

TalkSport seemed to have a line of communication with Kinnan for a time and they were voicing up and releasing his statements.

He did try for a period in 21 to win the PR war in the UK.

I think he probably had a sense back home that wasn't really on, but he did try for a time in the UK to win it across 21.

He had mattered to him then.

And the panorama thing was, yeah, he was running a propaganda war himself in the background.

He had when he eventually sort of had stepped out of the shadows.

See, if you remember, MGM was in Spain, OK, set up in 2012.

And I remember the first time I realized I thought it was a hobby.

I thought it was a gym they were going to.

when I saw a tweet from him and he was complaining about the builders.

And then it opened, of course, and it was Matthew Macklin's gym.

And he didn't initially come forward.

Then he said he was a co-founder of it.

So then 2016 happens.