Joe Navarro

Well, as it turns out, it was an American, because we also have what we call turncoats. So in the case of Roderick James Ramsey, he was an individual who, in 1989, I was asked to go interview because we thought he was a witness to something that had happened in Germany. The former army sergeant had been kicked out of the army.

Well, as it turns out, it was an American, because we also have what we call turncoats. So in the case of Roderick James Ramsey, he was an individual who, in 1989, I was asked to go interview because we thought he was a witness to something that had happened in Germany. The former army sergeant had been kicked out of the army.

The military wanted to find out if he knew anything about some missing documents, if he had seen anything. During my interview of him, which again, I thought he was a witness, he was smoking a cigarette at his house. And I just mentioned an individual's name that had been at that base, but who had been under investigation by German authorities.

The military wanted to find out if he knew anything about some missing documents, if he had seen anything. During my interview of him, which again, I thought he was a witness, he was smoking a cigarette at his house. And I just mentioned an individual's name that had been at that base, but who had been under investigation by German authorities.

In fact, by the Bundeskriminalamt, which is the equivalent of the FBI. There's no reason why he should react to that. It's just a name. But when I mentioned the name, his cigarette shook. And I knew enough about human behaviors to know that that physiological change had to be caused by something significant. Why would a name affect him?

In fact, by the Bundeskriminalamt, which is the equivalent of the FBI. There's no reason why he should react to that. It's just a name. But when I mentioned the name, his cigarette shook. And I knew enough about human behaviors to know that that physiological change had to be caused by something significant. Why would a name affect him?

And so the scientific method talked to him for 20 more minutes about something else. And then I mentioned that name again. And sure enough, his cigarette shook again. And at that point, I was convinced that there was something nefarious there. As it turns out, the Germans arrested Conrad. Clyde Conrad, that was the name of the person that had been under suspicion.

And so the scientific method talked to him for 20 more minutes about something else. And then I mentioned that name again. And sure enough, his cigarette shook again. And at that point, I was convinced that there was something nefarious there. As it turns out, the Germans arrested Conrad. Clyde Conrad, that was the name of the person that had been under suspicion.

The guy that I was interviewing, Rod Ramsey, was not. And so I left that interview and then I persuaded my supervisors to continue to talk to Rod Ramsey. And that led to a 10-year investigation and the arrest of three, four, five, six, seven additional individuals.

The guy that I was interviewing, Rod Ramsey, was not. And so I left that interview and then I persuaded my supervisors to continue to talk to Rod Ramsey. And that led to a 10-year investigation and the arrest of three, four, five, six, seven additional individuals.

What he was doing, and that's a good question, and forgive me for not explaining. While he was in the army, he and Clyde Lee Conrad were stealing military secrets. From? From the US Army. They were taking US Army secrets and then selling it to the Soviet Union through the Hungarian intelligence service. So he was a traitor of the United States. So he was a traitor.

What he was doing, and that's a good question, and forgive me for not explaining. While he was in the army, he and Clyde Lee Conrad were stealing military secrets. From? From the US Army. They were taking US Army secrets and then selling it to the Soviet Union through the Hungarian intelligence service. So he was a traitor of the United States. So he was a traitor.

And that is often the biggest problem for any nation state is the traders from within. And they had elevated espionage to an industrial level. I mean, to the point where they actually no longer even use 35 millimeter cameras to photograph the documents. They were actually videotaping them so that they could expedite the thousands of pages.

And that is often the biggest problem for any nation state is the traders from within. And they had elevated espionage to an industrial level. I mean, to the point where they actually no longer even use 35 millimeter cameras to photograph the documents. They were actually videotaping them so that they could expedite the thousands of pages.

It was the most damaging espionage case in the history of the United States because they had compromised the United States nuclear go codes in Germany. And that left all of Western Europe exposed.

It was the most damaging espionage case in the history of the United States because they had compromised the United States nuclear go codes in Germany. And that left all of Western Europe exposed.

All of our nuclear assets around the world are controlled by two things. There is what's called a permissive action link, which is like a last minute safety lock on each device. And then there is the go code that says there is authority to use this weapon. Ramsey was able to steal this. the actual nuclear go-code. It's a card. It's made out of a special material, which I cannot describe.

All of our nuclear assets around the world are controlled by two things. There is what's called a permissive action link, which is like a last minute safety lock on each device. And then there is the go code that says there is authority to use this weapon. Ramsey was able to steal this. the actual nuclear go-code. It's a card. It's made out of a special material, which I cannot describe.

It's made out of special metals and plastics and other things. And the inherent danger in what they did was that Not that they could initiate a launch. That can only be initiated at the national command authority level.

It's made out of special metals and plastics and other things. And the inherent danger in what they did was that Not that they could initiate a launch. That can only be initiated at the national command authority level.