Joe Navarro

But if this were compromised and given to, let's say, the Russians at the time, the Soviet Union, this is before 1989, then a foreign hostile intelligence service could take that and replicate it. but put the wrong numbers in there. And by putting the wrong numbers in there, if it's in a pyramid structure and it's put high enough, right? Let's say you control all of the East Coast.

But if this were compromised and given to, let's say, the Russians at the time, the Soviet Union, this is before 1989, then a foreign hostile intelligence service could take that and replicate it. but put the wrong numbers in there. And by putting the wrong numbers in there, if it's in a pyramid structure and it's put high enough, right? Let's say you control all of the East Coast.

Maybe you don't want to spy for Russia, but for $100,000, let's say you were willing to slip this in there and take the one that's there out. Okay, so maybe that helps your conscience in some way. Then you basically, if it's a pyramid sort of schema, you can paralyze everything below that.

Maybe you don't want to spy for Russia, but for $100,000, let's say you were willing to slip this in there and take the one that's there out. Okay, so maybe that helps your conscience in some way. Then you basically, if it's a pyramid sort of schema, you can paralyze everything below that.

that at the highest level, then nothing would work if you had it accessed at the highest level. Did they go to jail? Oh, yes. Yeah. The shaking cigarette guy went to jail. 33 years. Let me just finish it by saying this. This case put all of Western Europe in danger as well as the United States.

that at the highest level, then nothing would work if you had it accessed at the highest level. Did they go to jail? Oh, yes. Yeah. The shaking cigarette guy went to jail. 33 years. Let me just finish it by saying this. This case put all of Western Europe in danger as well as the United States.

The general who testified in this case said that had hostilities broken out, the defeat of the West would have been assured within three days. That's how devastating this was. Yeah, let that sink in. Those are his words. The defeat of the West would have been assured because of the damage these individuals had done.

The general who testified in this case said that had hostilities broken out, the defeat of the West would have been assured within three days. That's how devastating this was. Yeah, let that sink in. Those are his words. The defeat of the West would have been assured because of the damage these individuals had done.

Yeah. A lot of times, it's just based on the behavior. You see how often somebody looks at their watch, right? But maybe when they're operational, they look at their watch more often.

Yeah. A lot of times, it's just based on the behavior. You see how often somebody looks at their watch, right? But maybe when they're operational, they look at their watch more often.

And they filmed this guy who we thought was what we call an illegal, and in the parlance of espionage, an illegal is someone who magically appears in the United States and pretends to be an American, has always been an American, like the series, The Americans.

And they filmed this guy who we thought was what we call an illegal, and in the parlance of espionage, an illegal is someone who magically appears in the United States and pretends to be an American, has always been an American, like the series, The Americans.

But we had some clues from one of our sister services from another country and said, we think this individual may be someone who you need to look at that is pretending to be an American. We're looking at the unit. We bring the whole team together, all six of us. And we're looking at the movie. And it was filmed. Just serendipitously, it was filmed. on Valentine's Day.

But we had some clues from one of our sister services from another country and said, we think this individual may be someone who you need to look at that is pretending to be an American. We're looking at the unit. We bring the whole team together, all six of us. And we're looking at the movie. And it was filmed. Just serendipitously, it was filmed. on Valentine's Day.

And so we see him entering a flower shop and leaving the flower shop. When he exited, I said, definitely he's not an American. You know, everybody looked at me like, excuse me? I said, he's not from here. And he said, how? And he says, look how he's carrying the bouquet. Americans carry the bouquet, bouquet up. Eastern Europeans carry it bouquet down. And continued to carry it that way.

And so we see him entering a flower shop and leaving the flower shop. When he exited, I said, definitely he's not an American. You know, everybody looked at me like, excuse me? I said, he's not from here. And he said, how? And he says, look how he's carrying the bouquet. Americans carry the bouquet, bouquet up. Eastern Europeans carry it bouquet down. And continued to carry it that way.

So I did what's called a presumptive. So we stopped him one day and I said, you know, I'm with the FBI. And I said, do you want to know how we know? And that was the first trigger I was looking for to see how he reacts to it. And he fell for it. And he said, go on. Most people would say, get out of here. Go away. And I said, it was how you carried the flowers. His chin came down.

So I did what's called a presumptive. So we stopped him one day and I said, you know, I'm with the FBI. And I said, do you want to know how we know? And that was the first trigger I was looking for to see how he reacts to it. And he fell for it. And he said, go on. Most people would say, get out of here. Go away. And I said, it was how you carried the flowers. His chin came down.

His eyelids went heavy. As he was evaluating everything he had done, you know, he had practiced everything. His English was immaculate. You know, he sounded like a Midwesterner and all that. After a few hours of having nice, really a nice chat, he agreed to work with us and admitted everything. What did he admit?

His eyelids went heavy. As he was evaluating everything he had done, you know, he had practiced everything. His English was immaculate. You know, he sounded like a Midwesterner and all that. After a few hours of having nice, really a nice chat, he agreed to work with us and admitted everything. What did he admit?