Joe Navarro

That he had been sent here by a foreign government, that his job as an illegal was to be in the United States, act as an American. And most people don't understand, well, why would a country, a nation state, spend so much money training these people to be like an American? And what they don't understand is their purpose here is for when hostilities break out.

That he had been sent here by a foreign government, that his job as an illegal was to be in the United States, act as an American. And most people don't understand, well, why would a country, a nation state, spend so much money training these people to be like an American? And what they don't understand is their purpose here is for when hostilities break out.

They can report on, for instance, train traffic, what trains are carrying munitions, what airports are being used for what purposes. Many times, as he later told us, they're given caches of explosives. so that they can then blow up certain things that no missile would be able to do. So that's their role in hiding in America. It's not to commit espionage.

They can report on, for instance, train traffic, what trains are carrying munitions, what airports are being used for what purposes. Many times, as he later told us, they're given caches of explosives. so that they can then blow up certain things that no missile would be able to do. So that's their role in hiding in America. It's not to commit espionage.

It's to be here in case hostilities break out.

It's to be here in case hostilities break out.

Correct.

Correct.

Well, he doesn't get punished because he didn't commit any crime other than immigration violation. But what he was able to reveal to us was nothing short of breathtaking. Which nation was this? I cannot say.

Well, he doesn't get punished because he didn't commit any crime other than immigration violation. But what he was able to reveal to us was nothing short of breathtaking. Which nation was this? I cannot say.

But obviously they would have to have enough money and enough interest to carry out an operation like this.

But obviously they would have to have enough money and enough interest to carry out an operation like this.

Well, let's define that. If they're hostile intelligence officers, it can be anywhere from 3% of the diplomatic staff to as many as at one time the Soviet Union, 85% of their staff were conducting espionage. I think numbers – so you have those. Now, if you're referring to like how many illegals, I would say at least you would have at least two dozen in the UK, maybe a dozen in France, and –

Well, let's define that. If they're hostile intelligence officers, it can be anywhere from 3% of the diplomatic staff to as many as at one time the Soviet Union, 85% of their staff were conducting espionage. I think numbers – so you have those. Now, if you're referring to like how many illegals, I would say at least you would have at least two dozen in the UK, maybe a dozen in France, and –

you know, you would have a whole host, a constellation of them in the United States, simply because we span five time zones. I believe the UK only spans one.

you know, you would have a whole host, a constellation of them in the United States, simply because we span five time zones. I believe the UK only spans one.

You know, big claims require big evidence, and I haven't seen that. In my experience, the Chinese intelligence service prefers to use students and scientists. We have approximately 80,000 Chinese students here at any one time. I know that, for instance, in the early 80s and early 90s, they would be given allowances.

You know, big claims require big evidence, and I haven't seen that. In my experience, the Chinese intelligence service prefers to use students and scientists. We have approximately 80,000 Chinese students here at any one time. I know that, for instance, in the early 80s and early 90s, they would be given allowances.

It always impressed me that they were given small allowances for meals, but large allowances for photocopying in the library. We call that a clue in the FBI. So they'd be given like $150 for eating, but they would be given thousands of dollars so that they could copy as much as they could from the libraries.

It always impressed me that they were given small allowances for meals, but large allowances for photocopying in the library. We call that a clue in the FBI. So they'd be given like $150 for eating, but they would be given thousands of dollars so that they could copy as much as they could from the libraries.