Joe Rogan

But because it had already been named, they weren't allowed to rename it.

So they just stuck with Harmeen.

But Harmeen had a real chance of being called telepathy.

Wild.

Right.

Well, I think now that's changing dramatically.

And I think there's an – I think one of the things that's changing it is the acceptance of it by the right.

And one of – some of them at least.

The old boomers, they don't want to let go.

But the young guys, like especially special forces guys, SEALs, Rangers, those kind of guys, they come back.

So many of their buddies have had experiences and then recognize when one of their friends is struggling and take them to have these experiences, and that word's getting out.

Sean Ryan's responsible for a lot of that, because he's talked really openly about it, and obviously he has a huge platform.

But Marcus Luttrell, him talking about it, and then Rick Perry, the former governor of Texas, Republican governor of Texas, who hated marijuana, hated psychedelics, thought it was all just a bunch of hippie bullshit.

Well, he had brain atrophy, natural age-related brain atrophy.

And the doctor said, oh, it's just pretty normal, you know, standard.

You're fine.

Goes and does this Ibogaine session.

Comes back.

Rick did it himself?

Oh, yeah.