Joe Rogan

And then I can also see the point of view of the people that say, yeah, but you don't want militarized people in the streets just roaming around, snatching people up, many of which turn out to actually be U.S.

citizens.

They just don't have their papers on them.

Are we really going to be the Gestapo?

Where's your papers?

Is that what we've come to?

So it's more complicated than I think people want to admit.

People want to look at this as a black and white issue.

If you're a compassionate person or if you're a pragmatic person and –

I don't think that's true.

I think it's both.

Well, I think most people were in favor of getting rid of gang members, criminals, murderers, rapists.

And a good example of that is Aurora, right?

Aurora, Colorado, where Trent Dogg was taking over apartment buildings and they were a sanctuary city.

So the police literally could do nothing about it, which is just pure insanity.

A lot of problems.

Rand, thank you so much.

I've been a big fan of yours for a long time.

And thank you again for being a voice of reason and for holding him to the fire during the whole COVID thing.

Because you were really one of the only people that was asking informed, tough questions of him.