Joe Santagato

What can you get from it?

Yeah.

Because you could walk away with something that could help you.

And even if you've done the work and there's a realization of like, you know what?

I'm just not responsible.

That's okay too.

Yeah.

I mean, I feel that way about everything.

I mean, every single time, like, you know, me and Greg work creatively on a lot of different projects.

And I think that we're very capable people.

I mean, I just talked all that shit and I could do anything.

But we've run into massive roadblocks where people are like, no, no.

But that's good because it's like, and it's funny because it's like, we were really confident about that.

Then we got our ass whooped.

But that's where I like to be because, you know, this sounds so corny and it's like oversaid in so many ways, but it's just very true that like when you do fail and when you get your ass whooped, it's good because you just closed a possible door and now you have less doors to choose from.

Like there's more of a chance of it happening now because you just learned something.

Someone slammed the door in your face.

Turn around.

There's other ones, you know, like and you can learn from that.

And most of the time, especially with creative projects, you will get advice on why it did not work or why it's not good.