Joe Spector

And just the value of a dollar, I still, I think, I want to make sure my kids have that, but I still think, and I think back to this business, I think that's why when I see things that are so expensive for people, I feel it in my bones because I-

still know what it's like to not have any money to make difficult decisions when you only have so many dollars every month.

He ended up going back to being an engineer.

Wow.

He got trained education and he found a mentor who took him under his wing and he became an engineer again.

Wow.

Amazing.

Yep.

They really... Yeah.

In so many ways, they inspired me.

And with that said...

there's not much that they knew about America.

And so I knew that they would love me, but a lot of times I had to figure everything out for myself.

I went to college, I paid for college myself.

And I think all of these things taught me to be a survivor, taught me to make something out of nothing.

And kind of that's led me to hymns and ultimately that led me to Dutch.

Were you an animal person?

We had animals.

So in the Soviet Union, tons of animals.

So I always definitely grew up with animals.