Joe Wiesenthal

All right.

Well, you've given it away at this point, but we are back here for our yearly check-in with Martin Wolf, who is, of course, the chief economics commentator over at the Financial Times, one of the most famous geopolitics, geoeconomics commentators of all time, and someone who is really good to talk to when we're living through these potentially historic, capital H, historic events on what seems to be

more than a yearly basis at this point.

So the last time we spoke to him was in April of 2025, and it was just after the Liberation Day tariff announcements.

Now we're here in May 2026, and we have the Iran situation going on.

We have headlines about further fracturing of US-Europe relations.

I mean, all of these potentially pivotal moments seem to be happening on a sort of monthly, if not weekly basis at this point.

Absolutely right.

And as you mentioned, when we were here last year, it was in the immediate wake.

I mean, I think maybe even just a week after the or a few days after the liberation day, tariff schedule had come out.

It was still during that period of absolutely insane volatility.

And there is a sense in which, I mean, the pure volatility currently is not actually like it was back then.

But at the same time, perhaps probably because we're in the middle of a war, ceasefire aside.

April 2025 feels a little quaint compared to where we are right now.

Isn't that something?

I mean, everything's relative, I guess.

Okay, well, on that note, why don't we bring in our perfect guest, older gentleman, older British gentleman with a British accent, per Joe's description.

Martin Wolf, thank you so much for coming back on Odd Laws.

You truly are the perfect guest though, because again, a lot of people have described you as one of the most important economics commentators of all time.

And so I think it's great that we get you back to opine on some of these very big events that we're seeing.