Joe Wiesenthal

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I've interviewed everyone from heads of state to fashion icons about the news of the moment, but I've always been curious, who are these people as leaders?

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Setting aside interior decorating, and Joe knows that I could certainly talk about this for much longer.

But you mentioned this idea of Trump as king, and you also mentioned this idea of trade adaptations.

And one of the things that's happened since the Iran situation is Trump has come out and said, well, if you can't get oil from the Gulf,

and you're Europe, you can come to the US and get oil from the US.

I'm very curious how statements like that play on the ground in Europe, given that on the one hand, this is a situation caused by the US.

I think it's fair to say that Europeans regard Trump as somewhat unpredictable.

Somewhat.

Somewhat.

I'm doing an impersonation of British understatedness here.

Then his message to Europe is basically, well, trust us for your energy security.

I mean, you sort of anticipated where I was going to go with my next question because you've written about

the threat to democracy that both in Europe and the US that you perceive the Trump administration as posing.

You mentioned that perhaps Trump actually prefers China to Europe at this point.

It seems like as you've written, the administration seems to have two specific big critiques of Europe.