Joe Wiesenthal

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1,572 appearances 15 recordings 2 series first heard Sep 2025 last heard 26 Jun

Joe Wiesenthal’s voice in public audio — every appearance, attributed to the second.

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But I'm glad you brought up the point about the tech crackdown because at the time, the whole story was like, oh, there needs to be less focus on sort of digital tech and more focus on hard tech.
Which has been done extremely – that's been an extraordinarily successful endeavor.
And then my last impression though is that since the release of ChatGPT in late 2022, that was the moment it's like, no, we really have to also compete on sort of this next era of software and sort of consumer-facing tech breakthroughs.
Right.
Yeah, that's exactly – AI is sort of weird.
Like it sort of sits in the middle of what you would call like software and hard tech because we consume it through the browser, right?
Sort of the same way or in many cases through the browser.
The same way that we would go to an Amazon or an online gaming or something like that.
But it's clearly – it's a scientific endeavor anyway.
And so it sort of is this blend.
And then you have to figure China is so far ahead of the U.S.
when it comes to things like robotics and EVs and batteries.
And one thing I don't know anything about is the degree to which that melding of hardware capabilities with AI capabilities, how that influences the direction of the development of the AI tech.
I think it's safe to say that both of us have a lot of impressions.
Yes.
I feel like how many times in this intro I was like, I get the impression, but I actually have no idea.
So that is a good reason to actually bring in our guest, someone who has more than, quote, impressions, unquote, about the AI tech scene.
We're going to be speaking to someone whose newsletter I'm a big fan of and everyone should read.
We're going to be speaking to the perfect guest, Grace Hsiao.
She's an independent AI researcher, and she has a great substack called AI Prom, and she joins us here in our Hong Kong office.
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