Joe Wiesenthal

But there is a generation of them, the people who are called Starkitects, and there doesn't seem to be a lot of new names.

And I'm curious if you perceive...

The next century, could there be another person?

To the extent that anyone ever knows the names of architects, it's always going to be somewhat narrow.

But will there be architects who emerge in the next century that everyone knows the name of?

Or has something changed such that that individual won't be a pop culture figure in the same way?

We'll definitely take you up on the tour if that's a real offer.

Go for it, Tracy.

I think you should.

You know, I have to say I did not expect that conversation to really veer so much into political economy, basically, and some of the

you know, to discuss the economic or why basically countries like the UK and the US decided to stop attempting to build great things and the connection between the era of building great things and consumer rationing.

And of course, you know, China building a lot of great things, also famous for financial repression of various sorts.

So I was not expecting to hear like that crisp economic idea that we talk about a lot articulated in this particular conversation.

Yeah.

You're not expecting to read the Dan Lang book.

Everybody wants those glistening Shenzhen skylands, but nobody wants to allocate the societal resources to be part of the construction crew that does that.

That seems like one of the big challenges of our time.

Let's leave it there.

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