Joe Wiesenthal
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1,572 appearances
15 recordings
2 series
first heard Sep 2025
last heard 26 Jun
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by how high quality the Chinese models are, even if they're behind.
But then you have things like that.
And then you also have accusations from the likes of Anthropic that they're distilling models and that they're finding ways to collect the outputs of American models for training.
So then you could say, well, yes, sure, it's great, this open source model, and it can stay close to the edge.
But then the counter is that
They can only be so advanced because there is this extremely capital-intensive closed source model in the U.S.
that's really establishing the frontier and that these Chinese companies wouldn't be anywhere near where they were if they weren't sort of, I guess you would say, drafting off the American labs.
You know, you mentioned poaching a researcher from OpenAI, and it's like the way I see it, AI will definitely be built by the Chinese.
The question is whether it will be built by the Chinese working in the American labs or whether it will be built by Chinese working in Chinese labs.
Has there been a gathering of steam of researchers from that had been working at American labs going to Chinese labs, or are they still sort of one-off and somewhat rare?
Tracy, can I say something that might be sort of sacrilege for a podcast host to say?
I'm only speaking for myself here.
I'm not necessarily speaking for the team.
But it occurred to me, like, I'm not really sure if I'd be that interested in, say, getting the CEO of, like, an American AI lab on the podcast as a guest.
I don't know what I would ask them because, like, do I really want to hear, like, Sam Altman or Demis Hassabis or whatever, like, the future of work and all this stuff or, like, all the big, you know, I love doing AI episodes.
I just feel like at that level, I would rather talk to sort of, like, someone in actually the engine room rather than...
This sort of big picture person who may have some degree of AI psychosis and just like it speaks in like the biggest generalities.
No, I would.
I would do it.
But, like, let's just agree here that if we ever, like, get one of the really big, like, lab CEOs, let's just ask the very, like, sort of mundane questions about operations and not, like, what are we all going to do?
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