Joel Lorenzi

Agreed.

On the Ivy front, though, I don't want to – I don't want to defend the move here.

The sense I get is, like, that he –

coincidentally, kind of like radicalized.

I mean, he's gone through this insane, devastating injury history in the last few years.

It does seem like he's radicalized over the past few months.

I don't know that that started the day he got to Chicago.

Maybe Detroit did some of this well.

Maybe the move and the trade sort of amplified what was inside of him.

But going back to what I said earlier, like some of this was available.

I don't know...

what due diligence the Bulls did, to what extent, what was accessible.

I imagine, I mean, in talking to some teams, I mean, obviously teams are going to defend their information gathering, but like...

It seems like a mistake that not many teams would have made.

Again, I think it is possible that he radicalized around the time of the trade and that some of the nature of some of the things we're talking about became more conspicuous.

But him on that podcast, that happened in January 2025.

And that's publicly accessible.

So I think on that part, it's...

It's probably a bad process.

But again, this is a guy that I think they genuinely thought had starter upside, that they could sort of revive some of that once tantalizing athleticism and be a guy for this build.