John A. Gentry

Well, it's not clear exactly who the leakers were.

Two different types.

Well, you've got multiple kinds.

So you can have a leak of accurate information that's damaging.

You can have a leak of disinformation of this sort.

You can have other kinds that provide different kinds of messaging.

So for example, again, a Trump one,

right after he was elected in 2016.

So late November, December, the leak was that Trump was refusing to take his daily briefings, which apparently was just simply not true.

So the message there apparently, purpose of the message there,

apparently was to say, well, this guy really doesn't care about intelligence.

What in the world do people do electing this guy?

He doesn't really care.

But apparently it was just incorrect.

Another way the leakers work is to talk with former intelligence officers.

especially ones who keep their badges and can go into intelligence workspaces where you're free to talk pretty much whatever you want, classified or not, right?

You're not leaking.

And then these formers will go out and talk.

So now you don't have to go to a journalist.

You can go to a former, and you can have the former talk for you.