John A. Gentry

Well, I don't think there's any evidence.

There's nothing that I've seen that this is done by the agencies proper.

So this, again, is, I think, a point that I hope your viewers will get.

I don't see any evidence that the director would call a meeting of all of his senior people and say, well, on the agenda today is how to screw the American people.

They're not doing that.

What has happened, or we're going to, you know, on the agenda today is how to manipulate the New York Times.

What has happened is that you've had a change in the organizational cultures of the agencies themselves and then accordingly also the formers, the people who have been in this, to the point where they think that they need to act against evil, that they know truth and they have a responsibility.

to society, to the country as a whole, to freedom, to democracy, whatever may come to mind at the moment.

And they have a mission then to act to do the right thing.

Yes, I don't see a specific organization that is, or a specific entity of any sort, formal or not, that is specifically guiding the actions of these people.

of these people.

Again, it's kind of like the information operations we were talking about earlier.

You've got a group of people who in the Trump years didn't like Trump.

The general view was that Trump was wrong and evil in a number of specific ways.

And so then it was left to individual actors to try to go after individual bits of Trump's deficiencies as best they could.

So they were collaborators, if you will, but not co-conspirators.

Okay, now, so I say the agencies themselves are not culpable in the sense that they're planning this.

But there is a government and an agency of responsibility, I think, in altering the organizational cultures, as it's the organizational cultures that led to the changes that we've seen.

back up a little bit here.

So you have, as you know from your government experience, different organizations have different ways of doing things.