John Cohen

It's to flip red places to blue.

And the track record there is unequivocal.

These folks have tried over and over and over since 2018.

They only make blue places bluer.

So I reject the premise of your question.

It is true that Mondani can be popular in a deep blue place.

And it's also true that lots and lots of moderates can get elected in purple and red places.

Those things are simultaneously true.

They don't disprove each other.

But, I mean, let's ask a question.

If the existential threat politically of our time is MAGA and Trump, the job is to beat them, to win the White House, to flip the Senate, and to flip the House.

That's the job.

Why would you then try to make blue places bluer?

That's a serious distraction if you believe that MAGA is an existential threat to our democracy and our way of life.

Donald Trump is president right now, not because of progressives, really.

But I don't think it's a diversion at all.

Meaning this instead, if you're offering a vision for the future of the democratic party, right?

That vision cannot just be your dreams of what you want to have happen.

It has to be grounded in political reality, right?

Your vision has to have at least 50% of what you're offering has to be concrete proof that you can over and over and over again,