John Day

We're going to debate that as well.

And if we can have time, I want to touch on the Chiefs and the Canes and just what...

that match means to both of you in terms of the intensity of it, in terms of preparation for test level.

If we get matches like that, is it going to be good enough for Dave Rennie and his crew to get these parts?

But let's start straight away with the Riley Higgins thing, because just uppermost of mind at the moment.

A couple of thoughts on this before I ask you, Mark.

I get what people are saying.

It's a shame when yet another young player goes.

But I think that this guy, no disrespect to him, is largely unproven in New Zealand.

He's had a few games.

He's got a lot of potential.

He got injured.

I don't know what New Zealand rugby is meant to do here.

He's got Scottish ancestry, so clearly he has a pathway to play for Scotland and doesn't have to sit a three-year stand-down down because he hasn't played for New Zealand.

He could go and actually, if he impresses, play straight away.

It's a bit like Satutu who can now play for England.

So there's that to add as well.

And also, what are the Super Rugby sides meant to do?

Guarantee this guy a spot because he's got lots of potential?

There's only so many places available.