John Delony

Are you catching yourself already?

Co-creation.

Yes.

Okay, so if you look at this moving forward as a new skill to learn, it will set you free.

Okay.

If you look at this as a character defect or a flaw or a moral issue, it'll bury you.

And what I mean by that in real terms, if you find yourself saying, I should be, or I've got to let, or I need to, that will crush you.

If you say, oh man, I've never shot a free throw before.

And I just totally airballed that one, dude.

I gotta keep practicing.

You'll just get back on the line and shoot more free throws.

Yeah.

And so the way this happens, dude, I love, this is one of my favorite questions I've gotten a long time.

I love this.

is this is a perfect opportunity.

I've talked about this ad nauseum on the show for y'all to get away.

Like the marriage you had is over.

It doesn't exist anymore.

Right.

And even if y'all want to do something cheesy, like get a Jenga tower and just knock it over on purpose and say, okay, we get to decide how this thing looks and rebuild it.