John Donvan

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Open to Debate · Is Parenting Overrated? (Encore) · 9 Sep 2026 podcast

So there are

That's not random then.

Okay.

Okay, let me take that to your opponents then.

So the the the they've made the case using these twin studies, which which indeed are exceedingly elegant, very, very compelling, very, very easy to understand.

And uh a a certain certain of number s certain of these traits, I would say, for example, and you can challenge this, but I would say common sense sort of sense, um, autism would not seem to be socially determined at a certain level, a certain degree of severity of autism.

Autism is not going to be a social thing.

Take take on the fact that the kinds of traits that Robert just talked about, he's saying stand apart from social uh from the s sort of social cherry picking criticism that you're talking about.

That these are things that are innate, that are measurable, have been measurable for a long time.

So c uh one one of the two of you would like to take on a

So it's take on again the twin studies.

I I know that you you you challenged um you challenged the sense that they're cherry picking around, but just the the the sheer fact that you know there have been movies made about this, you can you can see for yourself two twins raised apart in different families, they get together and they smoke the same cigarettes and they do this the same way at the same time, they cross their legs, they wear the same clothes, they go out with the same kind of uh

You know, they date the same kind of people.

That that that there's such a compelling case that right in front of you, made by nature to make that point.

And it's so very persuasive.

We heard the question raised before the debate actually began about whether, you know, just how random uh is is a group of of individuals, for example, who are parent who are the natural parents of adopt uh children ultimately adopted.

Is that is that a random group?

You're talking about the parents who adopt.

I'm talking about the parents who give up their children for adoption.

Whether there is a genetic component at all there, any indication of that?

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