John Gafford

Hummingbird energy.

That's a polite way to put it.

They're all in.

They're all in.

So, okay.

So tell me about a time before, because obviously you built some massive companies and we're going to get to that.

So tell me about a time early in your career when that energy burned you.

Got it.

But earlier in your career, though, you probably had some stuff that was pretty good that you got going and kind of fell apart because you lost interest.

So here, well, let me ask you this, because this brings up an interesting question, right?

Which is, so there's two kinds of people that hustle like that, in my experience, right?

There's people that hustle to get ahead, and then there's people that hustle to stay afloat.

Which one were you?

Were you both at some point in your life?

See, I love this type of story because, you know, there's so, you had so many things going against you and, you know, all of these systemic things or whatever you might want to picture.

And yet here you are.

And I'll never, a story for me is I released a book.

I published my first book in October and of all the reviews that came out, most, most were good.

Some were fair, whatever, you know, it's one person reading an opinion, but

But the one that bothered me was from Publishers Weekly came out and said it was good for the most part, but it ended up with saying that they found my advice somewhat trite on occasion because I failed to address the systemic issues and I presented all problems as solvable.