John Gotti Jr

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I can defend myself any way I see fit, long as nobody gets hurt by anything I say or do inside or outside of the courtroom, okay? But there's more to this, I said. But understand this, I will never ever embarrass my father I know I'll beat these people. I know how to beat these people. I just, I'm going to fight this my way and only my way. So, as a result of that meeting, here's what happens.
They crafted a 302, and I'm sure Gravano told you he has 302s, right? Any other cooperative, you craft 302s. In Gravano's case, there's hundreds and hundreds of them, okay? In any of these cooperatives, there's hundreds and hundreds of them, okay? In mine, I think there's four pages. I memorialized it for you. You guys have an Elmo?
An Elmo is something that you have in court to give an exhibit, okay? This is the lead page of that 302. So this should dictate... You read a book, right? The start better be very good or you're not going to read the rest of it. And the ending better finish really well. Or you're going to reflect back and say, I didn't really enjoy that book at all. Okay? Right? Okay.
So let's just go with the start of the book. And any other questions you could ask me in between, I can answer them right now. I'm prepared to answer them on the spot. Because I did tell David Gillard to make sure. Tell Patrick, please. I know he's a very thorough interviewer. Research me carefully. Ask me any question. I've got nothing to hide.
As long as the question he's going to ask me doesn't affect anybody else but me, doesn't hurt anybody else but me, ask me anything you want to ask me, I will answer it, and I will answer it to the best of my ability. And this is something that, to me, is nearest and dearest to my heart. Because what the government did to me, you mentioned Sonny Francis earlier, right?
They had a wiretap of Sonny Francis conspiring to kill me. Why? Because he just said on this wiretap, his driver's wired up and the driver says, he's talking to the driver and said, I just left a meeting with this violent crew from Queens, okay? And they want to make a move on the kid because you're not supposed to leave the life.
They don't like the way he's fighting the case and you ain't supposed to leave the life. Not that I'm a rat. They don't like where I'm fighting the case. He ain't supposed to leave the life, so they want to make a move on him, and I'm giving them my support. Michael's father is... Michael's father, Sonny, who's a man's man. I have the utmost respect for him. But this is on a wiretap.
I have the actual dates.
It gets better. I'm going to tell you the whole story, and then please, double back to that and come back at me. I'm going to show you something, okay? So they have this wiretap. They call my lawyer and say, we have a credible death threat against your client, John Gotti. Charlie says, well, he happens to be in the office right now. Hold on. He puts it on speakerphone. June Kim is the prosecutor.
He says, well, you want to repeat that? John's in the room. He says, well, we have a credible death threat. Do you want to come in and cooperate? He says, I'm going to have Charlie tell you to go fuck your mother. How does that sound? And Charlie said, you heard him, right? And he hung up the phone, and that was the end of it. That was the end of the conversation, right?
Now, I think it's them already just pulling on it and pulling on it. Short time later, they notice a credible death threat, because Sonny being the gangster that he is, and he was a true blue hoodlum, good guy, hoodlum, giving support because you can't leave the life. But the truth of the matter is, okay, and Michael Francis was going to answer a subpoena.
See, Michael, to his credit, Michael Francis, we subpoenaed him. He was going to come to our trial and testify that you can leave the life, okay? If John wants to leave the life, he can leave the life, but he leaves the life fully knowing what the ramifications of his actions are. It's his choice. He could leave, and they could act if they want to act. It's upon him leaving. Makes sense.
And Michael was clear to do this. The FBI went to Michael Francis. They told him, we're going to do a case against you. We're going to investigate you. Don't go help that kid out. He's our public enemy, number one. Michael still sent word, to his credit, sent word to Charlie Canisi, if yous need me, I'm coming. And that's why I respected him. He took that position.
He's a stand-up guy in that respect. He took that position, and I admire that. They didn't intimidate him. That being said, they knew all these particulars. They knew Sonny Francis got caught on wiretap. They were looking to kill me. And his response back is basically that this can get messy because there's a lot of guys loyal to me. A lot of guys loyal to the Goddies. This can trigger a war.
Did the FBI give a shit? No, they didn't care. So this is what they did. This is what they did. They made it worse. They one-upped it. They asked me to become a rat, and I refused. So they one-upped it. They put, a short time later, after giving me this death threat, they put on the front page of the New York Post that I'm a rat, that I wanted to be a rat. So they tried to get me killed.
So you couldn't convict me. And this all happened after I beat them the first case. They played fair in the first trial. The second trial, now the gloves came off and they got dirtier and dirtier and dirtier. And this is what they did. They couldn't convict me. They couldn't flip me, so they tried to get me killed.
But most of the people that mattered never believed it, and still today don't believe it. The ones who are insignificant do believe it. So that being said, they tried so hard. This was the report that they said was a rat report, okay? Not a human being got hurt. Not one ever got a subpoena. Not one ever got a case, ever, ever.
In fact, so much so to double back and not to be all over the place because we have a limited amount of time to talk.
Never, never, never. I would have taken 100 years. I would have taken life. I would have taken life. I was a civilian, and I would have taken life before that ever happened, before I ever embarrassed my dead father or my sons. Never would have happened. Here's what happened. This is the reality. This is the reality, okay? This was the report right here. And you got to read this report.
I want to I'm going to read it to you. OK. This is part of a four page report that the government. Leaked out, again, this report, this interview happened in 05. 13 months later, I talked to you right now for 40 minutes. I asked for a recorder to be in that room. They refused. I came with my own notes. Who does that? I came with notes to the meeting. My lawyers verified it.
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