John Gotti Jr
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first heard Dec 2024
last heard Dec 2024
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and they all hit him on the back and told him, good luck, good luck, I hope it works out for you? I don't think that happened, right? You don't think that happened, right?
Okay.
Well, I guess the 70 families he destroyed, 57 people he put in jail, 70 people he destroyed. I guess the children, the women that were widowed, basically, in essence, for life had empty beds and their children on Christmas and holidays with no father and so on. He didn't do any of that stuff. But here's my point that I'm getting at.
It's interesting for you, Pat, because the government called me a rat. The government called me a rat. the most tried man in the history of America. No man, no accused organized crime member was ever tried more than me. Look it up. Find those statistics. Got a great technology guy right here, technologist right here. Look it up. See, I've been indicted in my life nine times.
I went to trial eight times. Never lost a trial. I went to prison one time because I pled guilty. But in 37 months, from stop to start, I was indicted five times. Five federal proceedings. From the beginning to the end, culminating with me facing the debt penalty, which the government, when I won the motion and we moved from Pinellas County, Florida to New York, they opted not to charge me.
And I dared them to pursue the debt charge because they had to give me a free defense. They would have had to give me a $2 million budget to defend myself. I dared them to charge me the debt penalty. They dropped it. And I was broke at that point. So my lawyers had to work on oil and gas. I had to keep things moving. And I had to pay those bills eventually.
But still, we remedied the case, but yet they had the audacity because of a 40-minute meeting that I had with them that according to their cooperators, now think about this for a second, I told you.
Sammy Gravano never went to all these different personalities and told these personalities that I'm thinking about going and becoming a cooperator and tomorrow morning I'm going to be debriefed, tomorrow. Wish me luck, guys, right? Well, according, I did that meeting. I did a meeting for 40 minutes. Took two attorneys with me, two attorneys. When you met with the Fed. Fed. And that's where?
An agent. Right. An agent and a prosecutor and an assistant prosecutor at the courthouse. I went to that meeting. I called for that meeting. I did it. I orchestrated it. Not my lawyers, not them. I did it. I said, I want to meet with them. My lawyer said to me, what do you want to do? You just make the meeting. You just make the meeting.
He says, no, no, John, you just make, I pay you, you don't pay me. Make the meeting. I know what I'm doing here. I got this. Don't worry about it. I said, John, if you're going to become a rat, please let me know so I can get out of here. He said, just make the meeting. I got this. Okay?
Now, according to three different cooperators, two mainly testified against me and a third cooperator that never testified against me, but he was the most powerful of all the cooperators, okay? They all said that this is what happened. Before I went in, they said I had a meeting, a clandestine meeting in prison with Vinnie Gorgeous Basciano.
They accused him of being the acting boss of the Bonanno family. Really good man, solid guy. Never knew him on the streets, never met him on the streets. But I met him in prison. And they said, while we were in the bullpen together, he and I, that he followed my lead. I hatched a plan that I was going to go in and do what's called an innocence proffer. An innocence proffer.
and go in to establish an alibi, and I was going to testify on my own behalf in my trials, and he suggested that he would do it as well. He said to me, I'm going to follow your lead. This is not according to me. This is according to the government cooperators. He referred to me, says, John, I'm going to follow your lead. What you do, I'm going to do, okay?
Now, they also went on to say that before I went in, this was cleared with Vinny Basciano. They said it, not me. Steve Vitabile, Steve Vitabile is accused of being for 30 years the number three guy in the Cavacanti family in New Jersey. Joe Arcuri, elder statesman, wonderful man, who they claim was on the panel ruling the Gambino crime family.
Alphonse Siska, who they accused him of being a high-ranking captain in the Gambino family. Arnold Squitieri, who the government accused of being the acting boss of the Gambino family. and Joe Messina. Now, Joe Messina verified it. Joe Messina, again, he was confessed boss of the Banano family, ultimately flipped. I loved Joe like an uncle.
He made my cake when I went away to military school when I was 14 years old for me. He owned a bakery. His family, I knew his family very well. His wife, wonderful person. I knew his daughters. They were a beautiful family. But yet, this is the government cooperatives saying, I sent these messages... And they all had different input. Pataboli supported it. Alcuria supported it.
Bashyana was on board in doing it with me, according to government cooperators. Arnold Squitieri did not support it. Alfonsisca did not support it. Joe Messina at first had reservations, sent a message back to me, which he did. He sent a lawyer to see me. And the lawyer would verify it. The lawyer was, tell him, I love him. He's going to be perceived as a rat.
My response back was, go back and tell Joe. I love him right back. I'm a civilian. I had my father put me on the shelf, okay? I'm a civilian. I don't, I can, I march to the beat of my own drum. I'm showing respect for my father's life. I'm showing respect for people that I adore, that I love. I'm giving them that respect, but I don't have to. I could fight as a civilian. Long as nobody gets hurt.
Long as not one person gets a subpoena as a result of anything I do. Long as not one person, if a person got indicted for something I said in my life, I would kill myself. I would rather do 100 years in prison if I destroyed a family like these rats destroyed my family or tried to destroy my family, okay? I would do 100 years in prison for that would happen. So I told him.
My answer to Joe Messina was this. Joe, he was like an uncle to me. Joe, I'm a civilian. I'm not sure if Pete, my uncle Pete, clued you in or anybody else, but the chief put me on the shelf for life as per my request in 1999. As per my request, my chief put me on the shelf for life.
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