John Greene

And then, of course, Senator Neil Quillian detailed unsolicited contact from Michelle Carpenter the night before looking for evidence.

confidence in her, support.

The assumption being at that point, I'm going to be there the next morning.

And then last minute, doesn't attend.

This was disastrous from the point of view of optics.

Like even you take the Ryan Turbury Oireachtas circus, which the whole country sat down to watch at their lunchtime.

It was televised in pubs.

I guarantee you now at the passage of time, people don't remember much about it.

They know Dee Forbes didn't show up.

Yeah.

So Michelle Carpenter's absence hung over the Rowan Ireland performance in an almost kind of fatal way.

Yeah.

Well, that brings us to a running theme, I suppose, of the committee, which was the Barry McWilliams refusal to apologise.

And we played the clips.

And it was notable when they went to Una May, she apologised for and, you know, very much couched in our limited role in this.

I apologise for that, the delays.

But at least there was a semblance of contrition or emotional intelligence.

Like with McWilliams, my interpretation of it was that, and I don't know this, but there's obviously legal action floating around.

Yeah.

Or the threat of, who knows.