John Gruber
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Those numbers have come down, but that is driven by a culture that kind of comes from Tim Cook, and I think...
hopefully under John Ternus, that they can sort of not turn the ship around, but just make a minor course correction back towards, hey, let's focus on just some opinionated shit.
Like, hey, this app is confusing.
Like when you open this and you just want to add a collaborator to this.
Why does it look like this?
Shouldn't this be way more obvious?
We can't measure it.
This isn't going to come with a number that goes up and down.
It's a je ne sais quoi.
We know it when we see it.
But this isn't up to snuff, and I think they've gotten away from that.
Have a great rest of your day.
Welcome to Verge Cast, the flagship podcast of California's Laguna Seca Raceway, where new Apple CEO John Ternes apparently drives very fast, which is cool.
Good for John Ternes.
I'm your friend, David Pearce.
Nila Patel is here.
Hi, Nila.
Hello.
John Gruber from Daring Fireball, also here.
Hello.