John J. Mearsheimer

causing genocide and so forth and so on.

The damage that has been done to Israel's reputation is just off the charts.

It's very hard for me to believe how much damage Israel has done to itself, with help from the lobby, as I've emphasized in our conversation here.

but also the United States, the damage that we've done to ourselves, right?

And a lot of people will say this is due to Trump.

Trump has contributed to this for sure, but look at the Biden administration.

It was the Biden administration that supported the genocide in Gaza from the get-go.

It was the Biden administration that's principally responsible for what's happened in Ukraine.

The Biden administration could have prevented the war in Ukraine.

And in fact, it wanted it.

Exactly.

So the Biden administration, one could argue, is almost as bad, if not worse, than the Trump administration.

There's no question that our closest ally in the world, who we support at every turn, which is the Israelis, is obsessed with assassination.

They're constantly murdering, and I think murdering is the right word, leaders in countries and in organizations all over the Middle East.

There's no question about that.

And there's also no question, as the Soleimani case makes clear, that we've moved in that same direction.

We're not as bad as them, although we do support what they do.

We never criticize them, but we are deeply involved.

Well, if you remember, we attacked Iran last June.

Yes.