John J. Mearsheimer

Yes.

Yes.

Well, I don't get, I don't get phone calls because we don't do phone calls anymore.

Do you ever get texts?

I get text messages and I get lots of emails, uh, because my email is, uh, available.

So lots of people send me, uh, very nice emails, uh, and a good number of those people, uh, say that they once thought that I was out to lunch, that I was, uh, all wrong.

And, uh,

Really?

They admit it?

Oh, yeah, yeah.

It's only in the elite that people never admit they're wrong and never change their views.

I think in the broader public... And by the way, lots of people write to me who disagree with me on different issues, but agree with me on other issues.

I actually find that my discourse with the greater public is...

Quite variegated.

There are some people who agree completely with me on the Middle East and on Israel in particular, and agree with me completely on Ukraine, who are deeply offended by my views on China, because I believe that we should contain China, right?

And there are other people who write who like my views on the Middle East and on Israel, but dislike my views on Ukraine.

So, you know, when you engage the public, and when I talk about the public here, I engage with people all over the planet.

I get huge numbers of emails from the global south, from Europe, from Russia.

But when you engage with people, what you discover is that no one

group of people have the same views on every issue?