John J. Mearsheimer

If they listen to Tucker Carlson talk about issue X and they're trying to figure out what they think on issue X, they'll use your framework, they'll use your answers to help inform how they think.

And hopefully you'll have a positive influence.

Hopefully I'll have a positive influence.

But I think this may sound idealistic, but I do think this is the way it should work.

And this is why you want to have an open discourse.

Of course.

I would say, Tucker, in the best of times, the world is incredibly complicated.

Yes.

Right?

And I sometimes like to say we live in a world of radical uncertainty.

Yes.

Right?

That's in the best of times.

Today,

oh my God, it's so hard to figure out what's going on, right?

We're all, in a very important way, kind of flying blind.

And what we're trying to do is make sense of the world.

And what we try to do in exchanges like this is go further down that road.

And both of us trying to refine our thinking about these important issues and inform lots of people in the process so that everybody is less blind moving forward.

Amen.