John Jonas

of unique who just went from like 30 million to 300 million last year, uh, coming over to meet with me right when we're right when we're done.

And he was interested in hiring Java developers.

So the, the case where you would, where you would do that is you don't want to pay $150,000 a year for a, for a developer.

So like in the Philippines, you're going to pay for that same developer, 1500 bucks a month for full-time work.

They're super talented.

I mean, like the very first guy I ever hired, like 12 years ago, his blog was a page rank six because he had written some WordPress plugins that millions of people were using.

And so I hired him thinking, you know, I'm a programmer thinking, I don't know if he can do as good of work as I can.

I don't know if he's going to be as good.

He was better.

And like the guy, I would put him up against anybody in the world at what he does.

He's amazingly good.

So

Not that everybody in the Philippines is like that, but you can definitely find really, really good talent for super affordable.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And it's kind of a combination of those things that, that makes it really, really good.

So we launched in 2009.

Uh, I was just finding that there was no good way to find people in the Philippines.

It sucked at the time.

And so we created this marketplace thinking, Oh, we'd really like to have a better way to find people for ourselves.