John Kerry

Is he simply going to continue war on an ongoing basis because that's to his advantage?

Are there very clear goals?

The goal was set out to completely annihilate Hamas.

That hasn't happened yet.

So, if you set goals that are not reachable, things that you don't want to have happen can go on for a lot longer than they should.

Well, I think, unfortunately, Jen, and I really mean unfortunately, there seems to be a war plan that's unfolding on an ongoing basis.

And it's very, very hard to say where the goal is, where the end point is.

I think nearly impossible to say that, particularly if the things that they want to do

are not threatening necessarily to the rest of the world.

And that negotiation is going to be much tougher now, believe me.

It was tough when we began it, when there was great enmity between the sides.

Now that there's been this massive bombing and destruction and challenge to their leadership, with everybody there in government knowing someone who's been killed in the course of the last weeks and months, that's going to be harder for them to come back and say, well, we're willing to be charitable with respect to any measure.

And so this is going to be a very serious and I think difficult negotiation to have.

Now, we have to have it and we have to find a way forward.

And by the way, when you say trust, our motto was not trust but verify.

Our motto was don't trust.

and verify.

And that's the way I think our agreement came out.

You didn't rely on trust.

You relied on our eyes on the prize, our eyes on the uranium, our eyes on the centrifuges, and daily inspections, and the International Atomic Energy Agency certifying to all countries what was happening.